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Amazon granting A to Z claims when the customer hasn't even reached out to seller

Amazon just granted a claim to a customer because the product didn't fit .. Did the customer do a return request ..NO ... did the customer reach out to us to fix the problem ..NO... They went right to the claim and Amazon granted it and applied it against our defect rate .. i know that i can appeal and will appeal but i shouldn't have to waste my time appealing as this should have been denied right from the start .. Any one else have this happen to them

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Amazon granting A to Z claims when the customer hasn't even reached out to seller

Amazon just granted a claim to a customer because the product didn't fit .. Did the customer do a return request ..NO ... did the customer reach out to us to fix the problem ..NO... They went right to the claim and Amazon granted it and applied it against our defect rate .. i know that i can appeal and will appeal but i shouldn't have to waste my time appealing as this should have been denied right from the start .. Any one else have this happen to them

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Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7

Sadly, this happens every day on Amazon. They have not followed the "contact the buyer first" policy for over 18 months now. I even read one thread where a Mod stated that "even though a customer is able to file an A-Z without contacting you we encourage them to contact the seller first." I am paraphrasing, but it IS known to Amazon that his happens many times a day. It is their own policy, but enforcing it would not delight the customer, and who cares about the seller's time/money/aggro?? (insert sarcasm)

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Seller_F0vWfrwVpZ8w6

What was the value of the item?

When the customer opened claim, was the claim opened as "not received"?

Which delivery company did you use? Did you obtain signature?

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Seller_KEFk8ucPv8VdM

This thing is always happening. All they tell us to read the rules and regulations. Nothing helps. And even if we appeal customer wins. Because most of the things that from Amazon is automatically fixed. And I believe one day Amazon going to lose all the sellers. 😒

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Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Ive been on and off Amazon for almost 10 years now. THEY do not care about sellers on here.

They tell you to put a signature on the parcels and GUESS what. In the last few months I had signatures on claims where Amazon still granted it to the buyer! I appealed them and they claims have been in TRANSFERRED status forever and prob wont be touched

Im also on FB groups everyday where all these buyer do is pass on to each other how to "rip sellers off on Amazon"

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Daryl_Amazon

Hi @Seller_A1jM1Nmm494qj,

Daryl here from our Forums team, I know from first glance that this process might be tedious and at times, your question is more orientated to seller experiences and overall feedback from selling partners, but I am aware of the current situation with the "contact the buyer first" policy mentioned by @Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7.

I'd like to help you further escalate the appeal process if you haven't already submitted one, as a community manager my goal is to give you a more concrete and satisfactory seller experience through scenarios such as the one you are currently facing, don't wish to be another "robotic" approach o provide "templated" answers on process you have knowledge on.

The positive take that we have here are the points you mention in your post that can be utilized as evidence against the buyer on the appeal process.

Your scenario is the following one: Item does not meet customer expectation

If the customer raises a return request, you must authorize or respond to that request within 48 hours with a valid domestic return address or a prepaid return label. It's best practice to respond within 24 hours, in your case they didn't even followed this step.

Customer eligibility criteria for filing a claim:

You did not authorize or respond to the return request within the 48-hour period. (Which is not the case)

You closed the return request or authorized it with a prepaid return label that had invalid tracking. (Didn't happen)

You authorized the return request with an international return address but failed to provide a prepaid return label. (Same as the other 2 specified above)

There are many points we can specify to hold the buyer accountable, alongside our policy of customers must first contact you and give you an opportunity to resolve their issue, before engaging with a direct claim like the one you are currently undergoing.

To appeal a claim:

1-) From the Performance menu, select A-to-z Guarantee Claims.

2-) Click the Option to Appeal tab, find the relevant Claim, and select Appeal decision.

3-) Enter your comments in the text box and include any information that may help us better understand the Claim and your position on why the original decision was incorrect.

4-) Select Submit.

Important points to take into account:

a-) The text box does not support attachments. If you must attach any documents, use Buyer-Seller Messages to attach documents and send it to the customer. State in your A-to-z Guarantee Claim response that you have attached (such as POD) in Buyer-Seller Messages.

b-) When you appeal a Claim decision, either the cost of the refund or the impact to your ODR may be reversed. It may take up to 7 calendar days for the ODR reversal to reflect on the Orders page or to refund your selling account.

I'd like to provide a pathway to the most optimal solution for you, let me know if I can further assist with anything else.

Will be sure to pass your and everyone's feedback on this regard.

Daryl

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Seller_quzHpOIRhUy8A

Check your returns. Did their customer make a return for it? If so then they consider that their customer trying to reach out to you.

Keep and eye on the return, it'll bite you in the butt.

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Seller_LTv2zrpA8Qcn1

Your post, and subsequent responses, prove your point exactly; that you (unfairly) carry the burden of proving you are in the right:

1) You should not have to even appeal or defend this A-Z

2) Why is the onus on you to plan how to strategically make the appeal, by holding the buyer accountable?

The buyer is not accountable in this scenario - AMAZON IS.

I still don't understand why Amazon does not prevent an A-Z claim where no contact was made with the seller.

I can't even imagine many customers being upset with the yet-another-amazon-policy-ignored-by-amazon stipulation. It's like a special department should be formed, just to help the company interpret and apply its own policies.

(SIGH. Good luck).

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Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Wake Up

This is Amazon!

They're a joke! They will always give back even though most of these are scams!

I just had a claim go against me even though I had a signature on it. When I appealed the claim it has sat in TRANSFER for almost 3 months!

AMAZON IS A JOKE WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING ON HERE! THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP AND THEY DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES

20
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Seller_BggfQJP7VDxz8

Amazon is robbing us all with its A-to-Z policies. He is defrauding us. There is no fair decision

20
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Seller_lB4Fk2YofkqHl

Bottom line is this: they couldn't care LESS about sellers, they only care about buyers.

10
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Seller_A1jM1Nmm494qj

Amazon granting A to Z claims when the customer hasn't even reached out to seller

Amazon just granted a claim to a customer because the product didn't fit .. Did the customer do a return request ..NO ... did the customer reach out to us to fix the problem ..NO... They went right to the claim and Amazon granted it and applied it against our defect rate .. i know that i can appeal and will appeal but i shouldn't have to waste my time appealing as this should have been denied right from the start .. Any one else have this happen to them

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Amazon granting A to Z claims when the customer hasn't even reached out to seller

Amazon just granted a claim to a customer because the product didn't fit .. Did the customer do a return request ..NO ... did the customer reach out to us to fix the problem ..NO... They went right to the claim and Amazon granted it and applied it against our defect rate .. i know that i can appeal and will appeal but i shouldn't have to waste my time appealing as this should have been denied right from the start .. Any one else have this happen to them

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Amazon granting A to Z claims when the customer hasn't even reached out to seller

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Amazon just granted a claim to a customer because the product didn't fit .. Did the customer do a return request ..NO ... did the customer reach out to us to fix the problem ..NO... They went right to the claim and Amazon granted it and applied it against our defect rate .. i know that i can appeal and will appeal but i shouldn't have to waste my time appealing as this should have been denied right from the start .. Any one else have this happen to them

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Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7

Sadly, this happens every day on Amazon. They have not followed the "contact the buyer first" policy for over 18 months now. I even read one thread where a Mod stated that "even though a customer is able to file an A-Z without contacting you we encourage them to contact the seller first." I am paraphrasing, but it IS known to Amazon that his happens many times a day. It is their own policy, but enforcing it would not delight the customer, and who cares about the seller's time/money/aggro?? (insert sarcasm)

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Seller_F0vWfrwVpZ8w6

What was the value of the item?

When the customer opened claim, was the claim opened as "not received"?

Which delivery company did you use? Did you obtain signature?

00
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Seller_KEFk8ucPv8VdM

This thing is always happening. All they tell us to read the rules and regulations. Nothing helps. And even if we appeal customer wins. Because most of the things that from Amazon is automatically fixed. And I believe one day Amazon going to lose all the sellers. 😒

20
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Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Ive been on and off Amazon for almost 10 years now. THEY do not care about sellers on here.

They tell you to put a signature on the parcels and GUESS what. In the last few months I had signatures on claims where Amazon still granted it to the buyer! I appealed them and they claims have been in TRANSFERRED status forever and prob wont be touched

Im also on FB groups everyday where all these buyer do is pass on to each other how to "rip sellers off on Amazon"

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Daryl_Amazon

Hi @Seller_A1jM1Nmm494qj,

Daryl here from our Forums team, I know from first glance that this process might be tedious and at times, your question is more orientated to seller experiences and overall feedback from selling partners, but I am aware of the current situation with the "contact the buyer first" policy mentioned by @Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7.

I'd like to help you further escalate the appeal process if you haven't already submitted one, as a community manager my goal is to give you a more concrete and satisfactory seller experience through scenarios such as the one you are currently facing, don't wish to be another "robotic" approach o provide "templated" answers on process you have knowledge on.

The positive take that we have here are the points you mention in your post that can be utilized as evidence against the buyer on the appeal process.

Your scenario is the following one: Item does not meet customer expectation

If the customer raises a return request, you must authorize or respond to that request within 48 hours with a valid domestic return address or a prepaid return label. It's best practice to respond within 24 hours, in your case they didn't even followed this step.

Customer eligibility criteria for filing a claim:

You did not authorize or respond to the return request within the 48-hour period. (Which is not the case)

You closed the return request or authorized it with a prepaid return label that had invalid tracking. (Didn't happen)

You authorized the return request with an international return address but failed to provide a prepaid return label. (Same as the other 2 specified above)

There are many points we can specify to hold the buyer accountable, alongside our policy of customers must first contact you and give you an opportunity to resolve their issue, before engaging with a direct claim like the one you are currently undergoing.

To appeal a claim:

1-) From the Performance menu, select A-to-z Guarantee Claims.

2-) Click the Option to Appeal tab, find the relevant Claim, and select Appeal decision.

3-) Enter your comments in the text box and include any information that may help us better understand the Claim and your position on why the original decision was incorrect.

4-) Select Submit.

Important points to take into account:

a-) The text box does not support attachments. If you must attach any documents, use Buyer-Seller Messages to attach documents and send it to the customer. State in your A-to-z Guarantee Claim response that you have attached (such as POD) in Buyer-Seller Messages.

b-) When you appeal a Claim decision, either the cost of the refund or the impact to your ODR may be reversed. It may take up to 7 calendar days for the ODR reversal to reflect on the Orders page or to refund your selling account.

I'd like to provide a pathway to the most optimal solution for you, let me know if I can further assist with anything else.

Will be sure to pass your and everyone's feedback on this regard.

Daryl

00
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Seller_quzHpOIRhUy8A

Check your returns. Did their customer make a return for it? If so then they consider that their customer trying to reach out to you.

Keep and eye on the return, it'll bite you in the butt.

00
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Seller_LTv2zrpA8Qcn1

Your post, and subsequent responses, prove your point exactly; that you (unfairly) carry the burden of proving you are in the right:

1) You should not have to even appeal or defend this A-Z

2) Why is the onus on you to plan how to strategically make the appeal, by holding the buyer accountable?

The buyer is not accountable in this scenario - AMAZON IS.

I still don't understand why Amazon does not prevent an A-Z claim where no contact was made with the seller.

I can't even imagine many customers being upset with the yet-another-amazon-policy-ignored-by-amazon stipulation. It's like a special department should be formed, just to help the company interpret and apply its own policies.

(SIGH. Good luck).

10
user profile
Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Wake Up

This is Amazon!

They're a joke! They will always give back even though most of these are scams!

I just had a claim go against me even though I had a signature on it. When I appealed the claim it has sat in TRANSFER for almost 3 months!

AMAZON IS A JOKE WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING ON HERE! THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP AND THEY DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES

20
user profile
Seller_BggfQJP7VDxz8

Amazon is robbing us all with its A-to-Z policies. He is defrauding us. There is no fair decision

20
user profile
Seller_lB4Fk2YofkqHl

Bottom line is this: they couldn't care LESS about sellers, they only care about buyers.

10
user profile
Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7

Sadly, this happens every day on Amazon. They have not followed the "contact the buyer first" policy for over 18 months now. I even read one thread where a Mod stated that "even though a customer is able to file an A-Z without contacting you we encourage them to contact the seller first." I am paraphrasing, but it IS known to Amazon that his happens many times a day. It is their own policy, but enforcing it would not delight the customer, and who cares about the seller's time/money/aggro?? (insert sarcasm)

40
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Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7

Sadly, this happens every day on Amazon. They have not followed the "contact the buyer first" policy for over 18 months now. I even read one thread where a Mod stated that "even though a customer is able to file an A-Z without contacting you we encourage them to contact the seller first." I am paraphrasing, but it IS known to Amazon that his happens many times a day. It is their own policy, but enforcing it would not delight the customer, and who cares about the seller's time/money/aggro?? (insert sarcasm)

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Seller_F0vWfrwVpZ8w6

What was the value of the item?

When the customer opened claim, was the claim opened as "not received"?

Which delivery company did you use? Did you obtain signature?

00
user profile
Seller_F0vWfrwVpZ8w6

What was the value of the item?

When the customer opened claim, was the claim opened as "not received"?

Which delivery company did you use? Did you obtain signature?

00
Reply
user profile
Seller_KEFk8ucPv8VdM

This thing is always happening. All they tell us to read the rules and regulations. Nothing helps. And even if we appeal customer wins. Because most of the things that from Amazon is automatically fixed. And I believe one day Amazon going to lose all the sellers. 😒

20
user profile
Seller_KEFk8ucPv8VdM

This thing is always happening. All they tell us to read the rules and regulations. Nothing helps. And even if we appeal customer wins. Because most of the things that from Amazon is automatically fixed. And I believe one day Amazon going to lose all the sellers. 😒

20
Reply
user profile
Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Ive been on and off Amazon for almost 10 years now. THEY do not care about sellers on here.

They tell you to put a signature on the parcels and GUESS what. In the last few months I had signatures on claims where Amazon still granted it to the buyer! I appealed them and they claims have been in TRANSFERRED status forever and prob wont be touched

Im also on FB groups everyday where all these buyer do is pass on to each other how to "rip sellers off on Amazon"

30
user profile
Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Ive been on and off Amazon for almost 10 years now. THEY do not care about sellers on here.

They tell you to put a signature on the parcels and GUESS what. In the last few months I had signatures on claims where Amazon still granted it to the buyer! I appealed them and they claims have been in TRANSFERRED status forever and prob wont be touched

Im also on FB groups everyday where all these buyer do is pass on to each other how to "rip sellers off on Amazon"

30
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Daryl_Amazon

Hi @Seller_A1jM1Nmm494qj,

Daryl here from our Forums team, I know from first glance that this process might be tedious and at times, your question is more orientated to seller experiences and overall feedback from selling partners, but I am aware of the current situation with the "contact the buyer first" policy mentioned by @Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7.

I'd like to help you further escalate the appeal process if you haven't already submitted one, as a community manager my goal is to give you a more concrete and satisfactory seller experience through scenarios such as the one you are currently facing, don't wish to be another "robotic" approach o provide "templated" answers on process you have knowledge on.

The positive take that we have here are the points you mention in your post that can be utilized as evidence against the buyer on the appeal process.

Your scenario is the following one: Item does not meet customer expectation

If the customer raises a return request, you must authorize or respond to that request within 48 hours with a valid domestic return address or a prepaid return label. It's best practice to respond within 24 hours, in your case they didn't even followed this step.

Customer eligibility criteria for filing a claim:

You did not authorize or respond to the return request within the 48-hour period. (Which is not the case)

You closed the return request or authorized it with a prepaid return label that had invalid tracking. (Didn't happen)

You authorized the return request with an international return address but failed to provide a prepaid return label. (Same as the other 2 specified above)

There are many points we can specify to hold the buyer accountable, alongside our policy of customers must first contact you and give you an opportunity to resolve their issue, before engaging with a direct claim like the one you are currently undergoing.

To appeal a claim:

1-) From the Performance menu, select A-to-z Guarantee Claims.

2-) Click the Option to Appeal tab, find the relevant Claim, and select Appeal decision.

3-) Enter your comments in the text box and include any information that may help us better understand the Claim and your position on why the original decision was incorrect.

4-) Select Submit.

Important points to take into account:

a-) The text box does not support attachments. If you must attach any documents, use Buyer-Seller Messages to attach documents and send it to the customer. State in your A-to-z Guarantee Claim response that you have attached (such as POD) in Buyer-Seller Messages.

b-) When you appeal a Claim decision, either the cost of the refund or the impact to your ODR may be reversed. It may take up to 7 calendar days for the ODR reversal to reflect on the Orders page or to refund your selling account.

I'd like to provide a pathway to the most optimal solution for you, let me know if I can further assist with anything else.

Will be sure to pass your and everyone's feedback on this regard.

Daryl

00
user profile
Daryl_Amazon

Hi @Seller_A1jM1Nmm494qj,

Daryl here from our Forums team, I know from first glance that this process might be tedious and at times, your question is more orientated to seller experiences and overall feedback from selling partners, but I am aware of the current situation with the "contact the buyer first" policy mentioned by @Seller_kNAboD6kRgVt7.

I'd like to help you further escalate the appeal process if you haven't already submitted one, as a community manager my goal is to give you a more concrete and satisfactory seller experience through scenarios such as the one you are currently facing, don't wish to be another "robotic" approach o provide "templated" answers on process you have knowledge on.

The positive take that we have here are the points you mention in your post that can be utilized as evidence against the buyer on the appeal process.

Your scenario is the following one: Item does not meet customer expectation

If the customer raises a return request, you must authorize or respond to that request within 48 hours with a valid domestic return address or a prepaid return label. It's best practice to respond within 24 hours, in your case they didn't even followed this step.

Customer eligibility criteria for filing a claim:

You did not authorize or respond to the return request within the 48-hour period. (Which is not the case)

You closed the return request or authorized it with a prepaid return label that had invalid tracking. (Didn't happen)

You authorized the return request with an international return address but failed to provide a prepaid return label. (Same as the other 2 specified above)

There are many points we can specify to hold the buyer accountable, alongside our policy of customers must first contact you and give you an opportunity to resolve their issue, before engaging with a direct claim like the one you are currently undergoing.

To appeal a claim:

1-) From the Performance menu, select A-to-z Guarantee Claims.

2-) Click the Option to Appeal tab, find the relevant Claim, and select Appeal decision.

3-) Enter your comments in the text box and include any information that may help us better understand the Claim and your position on why the original decision was incorrect.

4-) Select Submit.

Important points to take into account:

a-) The text box does not support attachments. If you must attach any documents, use Buyer-Seller Messages to attach documents and send it to the customer. State in your A-to-z Guarantee Claim response that you have attached (such as POD) in Buyer-Seller Messages.

b-) When you appeal a Claim decision, either the cost of the refund or the impact to your ODR may be reversed. It may take up to 7 calendar days for the ODR reversal to reflect on the Orders page or to refund your selling account.

I'd like to provide a pathway to the most optimal solution for you, let me know if I can further assist with anything else.

Will be sure to pass your and everyone's feedback on this regard.

Daryl

00
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Seller_quzHpOIRhUy8A

Check your returns. Did their customer make a return for it? If so then they consider that their customer trying to reach out to you.

Keep and eye on the return, it'll bite you in the butt.

00
user profile
Seller_quzHpOIRhUy8A

Check your returns. Did their customer make a return for it? If so then they consider that their customer trying to reach out to you.

Keep and eye on the return, it'll bite you in the butt.

00
Reply
user profile
Seller_LTv2zrpA8Qcn1

Your post, and subsequent responses, prove your point exactly; that you (unfairly) carry the burden of proving you are in the right:

1) You should not have to even appeal or defend this A-Z

2) Why is the onus on you to plan how to strategically make the appeal, by holding the buyer accountable?

The buyer is not accountable in this scenario - AMAZON IS.

I still don't understand why Amazon does not prevent an A-Z claim where no contact was made with the seller.

I can't even imagine many customers being upset with the yet-another-amazon-policy-ignored-by-amazon stipulation. It's like a special department should be formed, just to help the company interpret and apply its own policies.

(SIGH. Good luck).

10
user profile
Seller_LTv2zrpA8Qcn1

Your post, and subsequent responses, prove your point exactly; that you (unfairly) carry the burden of proving you are in the right:

1) You should not have to even appeal or defend this A-Z

2) Why is the onus on you to plan how to strategically make the appeal, by holding the buyer accountable?

The buyer is not accountable in this scenario - AMAZON IS.

I still don't understand why Amazon does not prevent an A-Z claim where no contact was made with the seller.

I can't even imagine many customers being upset with the yet-another-amazon-policy-ignored-by-amazon stipulation. It's like a special department should be formed, just to help the company interpret and apply its own policies.

(SIGH. Good luck).

10
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Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Wake Up

This is Amazon!

They're a joke! They will always give back even though most of these are scams!

I just had a claim go against me even though I had a signature on it. When I appealed the claim it has sat in TRANSFER for almost 3 months!

AMAZON IS A JOKE WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING ON HERE! THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP AND THEY DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES

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user profile
Seller_QM7oMalOGPML0

Wake Up

This is Amazon!

They're a joke! They will always give back even though most of these are scams!

I just had a claim go against me even though I had a signature on it. When I appealed the claim it has sat in TRANSFER for almost 3 months!

AMAZON IS A JOKE WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING ON HERE! THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP AND THEY DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES

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Seller_BggfQJP7VDxz8

Amazon is robbing us all with its A-to-Z policies. He is defrauding us. There is no fair decision

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Seller_BggfQJP7VDxz8

Amazon is robbing us all with its A-to-Z policies. He is defrauding us. There is no fair decision

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Seller_lB4Fk2YofkqHl

Bottom line is this: they couldn't care LESS about sellers, they only care about buyers.

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Seller_lB4Fk2YofkqHl

Bottom line is this: they couldn't care LESS about sellers, they only care about buyers.

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